Sanchy the scripture says New Jerusalem descends from Heaven. Implying Earth. Those who conquer (make it past the tribulation) get a pillar of the temple.
You choose not to understand because it doesn't say GC.
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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Paul said the 12 Apostles were promised reward in Heaven by Jesus not everyone. Them and the 144000
19 Therefore, brothers, since we have boldness* for the way of entry into the holy place+ by the blood of Jesus,20 which he opened up* for us as a new and living way through the curtain,+ that is, his flesh,
13 Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven+ but the one who descended from heaven,+ the Son of man.So David,Moses and Noah didn't go and they were before that scripture was written.
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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12 “‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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Actually the evidence leans on our side because the scriptures that say man will live on earth forever. Do these scriptures make you think the GC is in heaven if this can be seen?
. 2 I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God
10 So he carried me away in the power of the spirit to a great and lofty mountain, and he showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God+
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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I gave a scripture that says naos can refer to the whole temple. So my stance is they don't go to heaven.
The great crowd in a paradise on earth is unique to JW. You want to name some other religions that teach that?
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Fight Fire With Fire!
by The Searcher inwolves use their "loyalty" questions to trap others - "do you believe we're living in the last days/this is god's organization/faithful slave?
" - yet resolutely avoid discussing topics which put their org in a bad light, my "loyalty" question to them would be - "do you accept literature truth over bible truth?
" they will either run or be forced to ask for examples of alleged differences.any other suggestions for "loyalty" questions?.
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The literature like the bible teach book is used to help understand the scripture. Some think the Bible is too complicated.
I fully believe we are living in the last days. Can't wait until all is fixed.
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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Sanchy I disagree they are in heaven. I gave you a ton of scriptures talking about mans relationship with Earth. You just choose not to see it.
If God says the Earth wasn't formed to be not inhabited that's exactly what it would be if great crowd went to heaven.
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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Vanderhoven7 Can you show me a scripture that says every man will go to heaven?
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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The Bible doesn't explicitly say the great crowd are in paradise. But their are scriptures that say what paradise will be like. And every scripture says the Earth is for man. Their is no reason to believe otherwise.
. 2 I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God
10 So he carried me away in the power of the spirit to a great and lofty mountain, and he showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God+
This can't happen if eveyone is in heaven.
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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David Jay still said naos only refers to the sanctuary. Well I gave him scripture that says that is wrong. Where is his sources that it stopped being called naos?
Jehovahs Temple will never come down like Herods so the entire thing can be called Naos.